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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: RiskyBusiness on January 14, 2012, 01:49 am
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SR is nothing but scamming and hacking, disappearing vendors and disappearing btc.
I'm done investing in a losing model. I'm dedicating myself to informing everyone that SR is the greatest place to lose everything you put into it.
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Given you joined the forum yesterday, I can't understand your rational? I have been scammed twice out of 25 purchases, and the scam happened when I was new and fresh meat? These days and with the help of the forum, it has been flawless, plus I have experience some great characters. And made some really friendly anonymous mates lol...
Post a problem and you will get a solution, the SR community is farking awesome!
Hoffa
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Joining the forum yesterday...under THIS name, yes. I've been active on SR as both a vendor and as a buyer. I've only lost btc, had posts deleted, accounts closed without cause, accounts hacked, customers burned without any way to contact them. All along, SR is actually causing the dysphoria by eliminating my vendor accounts and buyer accounts over and over again.
They know that I'll come back and plop another $150 in btc in their lap. They know that I'll fill orders and leave my btc in my wallet. They know that if they cancel my pending orders and close my account, they can count on more btc than if they just collected a meager commission from my sales. And they know that they can let scammers pay them for accounts, and run amok for enough time that people don't lose faith in SR, but still SR collects whether they are "flawless" or far from being such.
I'm leaving. I'm done. I've lost too much money, and that's the reason why SR feels it was worth it. What they don't know is there will be an insurmountable amount of blow back for their failure to do any effective policing of the site, and their failure to use proper discretion when deciding which vendors to allow to continue conducting business on the SR. I have huge rolls of personal information from selling on SR. I'm planning on blowing the doors wide open on what's happening here, one buyer at a time.
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I have huge rolls of personal information from selling on SR. I'm planning on blowing the doors wide open on what's happening here, one buyer at a time.
I can't even describe how fucked up this is. What a quality individual.
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Joining the forum yesterday...under THIS name, yes. I've been active on SR as both a vendor and as a buyer. I've only lost btc, had posts deleted, accounts closed without cause, accounts hacked, customers burned without any way to contact them. All along, SR is actually causing the dysphoria by eliminating my vendor accounts and buyer accounts over and over again.
They know that I'll come back and plop another $150 in btc in their lap. They know that I'll fill orders and leave my btc in my wallet. They know that if they cancel my pending orders and close my account, they can count on more btc than if they just collected a meager commission from my sales. And they know that they can let scammers pay them for accounts, and run amok for enough time that people don't lose faith in SR, but still SR collects whether they are "flawless" or far from being such.
I'm leaving. I'm done. I've lost too much money, and that's the reason why SR feels it was worth it. What they don't know is there will be an insurmountable amount of blow back for their failure to do any effective policing of the site, and their failure to use proper discretion when deciding which vendors to allow to continue conducting business on the SR. I have huge rolls of personal information from selling on SR. I'm planning on blowing the doors wide open on what's happening here, one buyer at a time.
So after all that rant questioning SR integrity, and how your a good decent "vendor" who was done over by SR you now plan to fuck your once customers over? You don't even have the decentcy to disclose who you were as a "vendor". In Australia we have a term for people like you....DOG!
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Then you are just stupid. I've never been scammed online in my life. Maybe you just have a low IQ?
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I have never been scammed or had my account hacked. Nothing close to either.
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I have never been scammed or had my account hacked. Nothing close to either.
Glad I'm not the only one.
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I have huge rolls of personal information from selling on SR. I'm planning on blowing the doors wide open on what's happening here, one buyer at a time.
So let me get this straight:
You pretend to care about your customers but then when you get upset you throw a hissy fit and lash out at them? Even though they aren't even the reason you are mad?
Seriously, leave your innocent customer base out of it. If you harm even one customer you are more scum then anyone you are mad at.
I have never been scammed or had my account hacked. Nothing close to either.
Seconding this.
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So what have your other account names been?
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yep never been scammed as a vendor and buyer, never lost 1 btc and have had nothing but quality service from SR and vendors and nothing but honest and friendly customers.
You must be unlucky DOG.
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Why in fucking hell would you do anything to fuck over your buyers, what did they do to you? I'm guessing 95% or more of them are innocent peeps just coming here to score a buzz, so what would you gain by fucking them over? You are, in every sense of the phrase, a true piece of shit, and I hope you rot in hell! Better yet, I hope you get busted, and spend many years in prison getting your ass raped on a daily basis, and then rot in hell!
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Better yet, I hope you get busted, and spend many years in prison getting your ass raped on a daily basis, and then rot in hell!
Bahahaha by a guy named Bubba
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dissec ^^ it wouldnt take much to figure it out. You just have to read previous disgruntled posts that match this disgruntled post.
I have compiled list of aliases that match other aliases that i am 99% sure are the same person.
I cant stomach how peeps hide behind several aliases. This is trolling mentality
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dissec ^^ it wouldnt take much to figure it out. You just have to read previous disgruntled posts that match this disgruntled post.
I have compiled list of aliases that match other aliases that i am 99% sure are the same person.
I cant stomach how peeps hide behind several aliases. This is trolling mentality
Agreed, really is gutless and weak, but you know karma is a bitch, she really will fuck him over!
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Take it to the cops. What can you prove? Nothing. Go on, do it. Admit you sell drugs internationally.
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Why is SR picking on you? If you have a legitimate complaint, then define it. You have blamed SR, then go on to say all your buyers deserve their identities revealed. I have a feeling you are simply too impatient to become established as a vendor or run a profitable service, and you are obviously the type to do something to halt that process, threatening to give out customer info. We are happy to see you go.
Like I said, if you have a specific problem, then define it. It makes no sense that your account has been shut down only to start a new one multiple times and suffer the same fate. Then complain AFTER the fact.
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Hi there RiskyBusiness!
I gather that it is a wee bit of a slow-assed dead scene over at BMR, huh?
Thanks for the giggles.
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SR is nothing but scamming and hacking, disappearing vendors and disappearing btc.
I'm done investing in a losing model. I'm dedicating myself to informing everyone that SR is the greatest place to lose everything you put into it.
Somebody needs a nap. Cranky? If you follow the rules of the site you SHOULD do well. Nothing is guaranteed. If you are having trouble its NOT SR's fault nor your buyers. PSSST... ITS YOU!!
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i think this guy was drunk posting or on his menstrual cycle.... he had to get somthing off his chest and like an angry 6 year old he cried as loud as he could and said a bunch of crazy things.. IMO .. im hoping fo rthe best
but its like double said "Take it to the cops. What can you prove? Nothing. Go on, do it. Admit you sell drugs internationally."..... HAHAH what a fucking idiot.. oops was that too harsh?
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Successful troll is successful.............
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"Blowing the doors wide open." Those were my words.
There are two reasons for framing the statement this way.
1) All my posts have been deleted. All my accounts are gone. All my posts have been specific questions to specific issues. By eliminating the productive nature of my posts, and adding what seems to be an ultimatum, my post (and thread) remains. Why is this? And now that I'm back to targetting the specific issue of my accounts being wiped out, how much longer until the mods delete THIS post??
2) I have every intention of informing my customer base of how my account was deleted/hacked, and how after numerous attempts to contact SR administrators, the only response has been to delete the accounts that were designed only to contact SR and resolve the issue.
Blowing the doors wide open is ambiguous. But since previous posts of "informing my customers as to why their orders are not being delivered on time" were deleted time and time again, it made no sense to repeat the madness. There is no sense in posting logical, problem-solving questions on this forum, when the only thing that occurs is the deletion of my account and thread. Trolling is a term that implies stirring th pot for no good reason other than getting a rise out of people. What I'm doing is highlighting an ongoing issue that has remained unresolved, despite the most persistent efforts to resolve the issues that my customers are facing.
I have no proof that SR has an insecure model. I have no proof that SR has maliciously ended my vendor's account. What I do have proof of is that when SR was contacted regarding what the cause of these bad things were, they responded by simply ignoring my questions and complains, and deleting the new account I was using to contact them. I headed to the forums, where this behavior continued. Time and time again, I tried to contact someone, ANYONE, that would provide answers. This never happened.
So I blew the doors off. No cops, no private info being released, no maliciousness towards anyone in particular. Just an ambiguous statement, which was intended to be misunderstood, with the expressed purpose of bringing this forum's attention to the issues that someone at SR has been suppressing.
SR is deleting this thread in 3....2....1....
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"Blowing the doors wide open." Those were my words.
There are two reasons for framing the statement this way.
1) All my posts have been deleted. All my accounts are gone. All my posts have been specific questions to specific issues. By eliminating the productive nature of my posts, and adding what seems to be an ultimatum, my post (and thread) remains. Why is this? And now that I'm back to targetting the specific issue of my accounts being wiped out, how much longer until the mods delete THIS post??
2) I have every intention of informing my customer base of how my account was deleted/hacked, and how after numerous attempts to contact SR administrators, the only response has been to delete the accounts that were designed only to contact SR and resolve the issue.
Blowing the doors wide open is ambiguous. But since previous posts of "informing my customers as to why their orders are not being delivered on time" were deleted time and time again, it made no sense to repeat the madness. There is no sense in posting logical, problem-solving questions on this forum, when the only thing that occurs is the deletion of my account and thread. Trolling is a term that implies stirring th pot for no good reason other than getting a rise out of people. What I'm doing is highlighting an ongoing issue that has remained unresolved, despite the most persistent efforts to resolve the issues that my customers are facing.
I have no proof that SR has an insecure model. I have no proof that SR has maliciously ended my vendor's account. What I do have proof of is that when SR was contacted regarding what the cause of these bad things were, they responded by simply ignoring my questions and complains, and deleting the new account I was using to contact them. I headed to the forums, where this behavior continued. Time and time again, I tried to contact someone, ANYONE, that would provide answers. This never happened.
So I blew the doors off. No cops, no private info being released, no maliciousness towards anyone in particular. Just an ambiguous statement, which was intended to be misunderstood, with the expressed purpose of bringing this forum's attention to the issues that someone at SR has been suppressing.
SR is deleting this thread in 3....2....1....
Who did you piss off?
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****yawns****
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I can't figure that out. I've been racking my brain day in and day out over that question. The other question is how I pissed them off..?
I asked some questions, but I didn't violate any rules or insult anyone. All I ever did was deliver on my promises. I don't seem to have a recourse. I'm actually surprised that this thread is still up, right now.
What can I do??
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I'd check that you have the right link for silkroad, first. I think those activities could be representative of somebody on one of the phishing/scam sites. But, for the vast majority of the rest of us, SR has treated us very well. I've had 13 successful transactions, and 8 or so are still in the works, though I'm very confident that they'll arrive. I've been frustrated by BTC value fluctuations, but any loss of dollar value has not in any way been the fault of SR; as a matter of fact, the fluctuations by chance actually caused me to gain over $200 on my last BTC purchase, which I was very happy (albeit lucky) about.
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This is one of the things that causes me to pause and hesitate to buy from anyone but established vendors on SR.
But given that I am new at this and don't have a buying history, vendors may be afraid as well! :-\
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People on SR are whispering. There are rumors of new vendors getting blacklisted for no apparent reason. BTC being seized by SR administrators, and the vendor account fees being forfeited. SR protects the older vendors from the lower prices of new vendors, and the older vendors kick them a higher commission, in return. SR vendors are recommending using PGP for all private messages. For instance, just us having this conversation is enough to get your account banned, and wallet hijacked. I think that my last vendor who I ordered from was one of those that is posting on this in the forums, because right about the time he vanished, I noticed the same style of writing in the forums, under various names. Now the forums are closed. With this message: "The Silk Road forums are down for maintenance. We will get them back up asap, but it could be a couple of days. Thank you for your patience."
...right after that thread blew up.
The point of all of this is simple. If even just a few of us are subject to malicious acts by SR, as powerful as those described in the forum, then it stands to reason that all of us are at risk. Not one of us is immune to this racket, except those that are running it. If this evidence-backed allegation on the forums is true, then SR is not a libertarian dream. It is an authoritarian nightmare.
The presumption that this "one guy" is the only case, is incorrect. In his thread, he mentions how this was the only thread that got any public attention before being deleted by the administrators. In comparing the very few regular and long time posters, with the infinite amount of suppressed voices, it is reasonable to suspect that a large majority are having their wallets hijacked and vendor's account deleted. Since this person seems to be asking for nothing more than a reasonable explanation from SR administrators, I question whether he had his account deleted for any misconduct. For what reason is SR silent on the issue? Why do they keep deleting the accounts of those that are exercising their right to free speech? How many accounts need to be silently deleted until the more reputable dealers feel insecure?
A reasonable person might say "You know, there actually aren't many vendors that have accounts predating several months ago. I wonder where they all went?" SR is silent on this issue.
It's a great opportunity for vendors to make money, but what if these same vendors have zero recourse when SR decides to permanently delete the fruits of their efforts? What if there is no forum to address this serious issue, even though every other possible issue is public? What does the closing of the forum and deletion of the threads say about SR? Why are there only a few that take to SR's defense? Who can say that these "people" who claim that they've had no issues with their account, aren't silk road themselves?
What if this is all one big hoax, and SR responds with a full explanation of what happened to these numerous and nameless vendors? Nothing. But what if they can't explain why so many accounts seem to vanish, and forum postings describing unexplained banishment from SR, remain unanswered? Nothing good.
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That's a message I just received. Looks like I'm not the only one who's revolting...
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i think this guy just made it 100x worse for his SR experience by talking such butt hurt non-sense. Sounds like a angry teenage noob.
this guy is acting like this is ebay and not a black market. You sir are very confused, and we don't need vendors such as yourself.
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i think this guy just made it 100x worse for his SR experience by talking such butt hurt non-sense. Sounds like a angry teenage noob.
this guy is acting like this is ebay and not a black market. You sir are very confused, and we don't need vendors such as yourself.
What am I confused about? That if you sell drugs, you should sell them in person?
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I have huge rolls of personal information from selling on SR. I'm planning on blowing the doors wide open on what's happening here, one buyer at a time.
I can't even describe how fucked up this is. What a quality individual.
Seriously...
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I have huge rolls of personal information from selling on SR. I'm planning on blowing the doors wide open on what's happening here, one buyer at a time.
I can't even describe how fucked up this is. What a quality individual.
Seriously...
Seriously.
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I have huge rolls of personal information from selling on SR. I'm planning on blowing the doors wide open on what's happening here, one buyer at a time.
I can't even describe how fucked up this is. What a quality individual.
Seriously...
Seriously.
This is one (of the many) reasons why secure buyers swear by using fake ID boxes or shipping shit to abandoned buildings or homeless shelters or random houses after doing surveillance on them to ensure the people who live their fit in a pattern of not being home when mail is delivered or etc etc etc. Getting things sent to your own name at your own address is a huge and avoidable risk. If you go the fake ID route I suggest using in state ID because eventually the feds may start to pay close attention to boxes registered with out of state IDs (since a higher overall percentage of them are probably used for illegal things than boxes registered with in state ID).
Just a warning to any anti-drug crusaders who want to publish peoples addresses, but you really should be careful, just because LE are incompetent fuckwads doesn't mean you wont piss off a smart hacker buyer and end up deanonymized with your personal info spammed on SR as being a snitch who is attacking SR. I sure wouldn't want 100k drug users and dealers to know that I am not only a snitch but want to snitch on them. It doesn't seem like it would be safe to me. Just looking out for you of course if you didn't think of that possibility. But really you are just a troll.
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RiskyBusiness,
If you don't like Silk Road, don't use it.
Please. For the sake of us who use it wisely, I respectfully ask you not to post in these forums anymore.
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+1
If you don't like it, fuck off.
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Nothing but lies and fearmongering. I've been scammed by a BTC dealer only which I knew the risk when I started. Never by a legit vendor. So +1, later bacon.
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+1
If you don't like it, fuck off.
Shut-up.... no one likes a cheerleader, douche-bag.
RiskyBusiness,
If you don't like Silk Road, don't use it.
Please. For the sake of us who use it wisely, I respectfully ask you not to post in these forums anymore.
The way I read his post, he's done using it. As for using it "wisely," how can you makes such a conclusory statement? Nothing in his post(s) justifies your conclusion.
He's pissed and using the only leverage he has available. I don't blame him. I've had similar problems, and something fucked up is going on here.
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I don't blame him. I've had similar problems, and something fucked up is going on here.
I repeat: For those of us who use it wisely, Silk Road works well.
It may not be perfect but it's a damn sight better than shopping for a dealer on shakedown street.
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Repeat yourself one more time, without adding any facts to support your conclusion. Do it just one more time for those of us that are swayed more by repetition than evidence.
Shit's about to hit the fan at SR. Shakedown street's about to look pretty good in comparison.
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I have huge rolls of personal information from selling on SR. I'm planning on blowing the doors wide open on what's happening here, one buyer at a time.
I can't even describe how fucked up this is. What a quality individual.
He's probably a LEO trying to scare buyers away.
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If you don't like it, fuck off.
Shut-up.... no one likes a cheerleader, douche-bag.
RiskyBusiness,
If you don't like Silk Road, don't use it.
Please. For the sake of us who use it wisely, I respectfully ask you not to post in these forums anymore.
The way I read his post, he's done using it. As for using it "wisely," how can you makes such a conclusory statement? Nothing in his post(s) justifies your conclusion.
He's pissed and using the only leverage he has available. I don't blame him. I've had similar problems, and something fucked up is going on here.
Obviously a sock puppet.
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Let's a take a general lesson from this obviously angry person, whether a previously legit vendor who got a raw deal or whatever - we will never know. I do know that Digitalink has been very upset over the accusations, even though many, many of his buyers came to his defense.
We do not know who this person is. The accusation he levels at SR as having a policy-based on anti-vendor actions...well, as Mr. Ddro says, ....in short, what ever Ddro says is right. Overall, the vendors here that are professionals have overall stuck with it and have worked out some nasty technical and process problems that cut to the heart of their BTC accounts, and other very sticky buyer issues. So, if they worked it out, why can't another vendor work it out?
I know a full time "dealer" of pain meds. A local. he has done a very good quantified modeling of using SR as opposed to his daily drive of 8 or 10 stops, plus the new, unknown pop up customers that theoretically should not happen in his world. he has an almost airtight defense against busts in his current modality, yet he thinks that SR could be an adjunct or alternate way to reduce risk, reduce labor, and slightly increase profit margin. He's done the math, not the meth!
I hope that any vendor who has a bad experience will not harm their customers; I am troubled that any vendor would keep shipping addresses as leverage. Very bad idea, and shortsighted in the extreme, and it cuts both ways. Uncorroborated drops of evidence from an unknown source with unknown intent might not even play against a buyer. Not in many cases.
Also, one last fact. Vendors not only have SR, they have intermediaries like Digital Arch, Nomad, other vendors in good standing - and I am 100% positive that other vendors would seek to help another vendor in similar good standing if there was a repairable dispute between that vendor and the SR administration.
SR is only as good as its vendors, and its growth is tied to new vendors. The bonds between a good vendor and their customers are very strong, stronger than I ever could have imagined. This is the "some else", that is missing from real world, small time, local trafficking. There is the ability to get a reputation and have it administered in the context of "a system of advocacy and standards of good practice", is a valuable service. SR is more than a market - its a system of trust ranking.
SR has flaws, it's still too easy to have sham sellers get their first 1000 BTC with no apparent down side. As for good vendors with really really unfortunate circumstances, I do believe that there must be some type of recourse, and if not, at least a way of limiting one's losses before going ballistic>>> like this gentleman (err...) here.
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Wow, I am a goddamn RETARD compared to ANYONE here, and I have yet to be duped. In fact, some have been very helpful...even if not sociable (Asbury! tee hee hee, just kiddin yo!)
Although a lot of my Q's go unanswered, or pointed to incomprehensible threads of insanity, I am still trying to learn.
But...then comes your snitching degree. You're going to snitch on BUYERS, because SR Admin fucked you over? Is it because the rage is so much, that you can't handle your own cock when pissing? I can't see why anyone, sane or not, would punish innocents (other than world gov'ts) instead of who punished them. Why not punish SR?
We have a saying here in the states, too, for people like you: Snitches get stitches. Dog.
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There is no excuse for being a rat so i can only assume you're spreading FUD.
If you're really a rat, karma is gonna take a dump all over you.